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Clan Forum => Debates => Debates archive => Topic started by: Only Lilly on October 04, 2012, 09:11:03
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Vietnam Festival: Live Pig Chopped In Half To Honor Village Deity
Each year, on the sixth day of the lunar new year, the villagers of a town about 25 miles north of Vietnam's capital, Hanoi, organize a festival to honor their local guardian deity, Doan Thuong. The celebrations include traditional festival features such as a march and live music, but one part of the ceremony is not for the faint of heart.
According to Reuters, a live pig is shuttled around the village before being placed on the ground on its back. Assistants hold ropes attached to the pig's legs, spreading the animal's appendages apart to expose its belly. A man wielding a large blade then chops the pig in half, and the villagers rush to smear the blood on bank notes, hoping for good luck in the new year.
The practice has been condemned by activists inside Vietnam and abroad.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1jrzva.jpg)
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no, it shouldn't be happening. I suppose the animal cruelty law there isn't as tight as it is here so all people can do is campaign.
I'm no vegetarian but that's a hell of a bad way to kill a pig.
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Ouch that shouldn't be happening ...
I have a Vietnamese background but that's just cruel.
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That is inhumane and just not right, chopping up a (cute) pig that's alive is just barbarian.
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We have our own traditions, perhaps not as extreme as this but we still have them. It's just a pig, and it was most likely bred for this.
-Tom.
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We have our own traditions, perhaps not as extreme as this but we still have them. It's just a pig, and it was most likely bred for this.
-Tom.
Would it still be the same if it they were chopping a human in half? "It's just a human, still another 7 billion of them".
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We have our own traditions, perhaps not as extreme as this but we still have them. It's just a pig, and it was most likely bred for this.
-Tom.
This. Just like i use to breed Pheasants and Partridge to shoot for sport, they are bred for this and its their tradition, we can't change this. I think it's fine.
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We have our own traditions, perhaps not as extreme as this but we still have them. It's just a pig, and it was most likely bred for this.
-Tom.
This. Just like i use to breed Pheasants and Partridge to shoot for sport, they are bred for this and its their tradition, we can't change this. I think it's fine.
Just a pig? It is a living creature still, what gives humans the right to kill things for fun just because we are a little higher in the food chain.
No other living creature breeds and kills things purely for fun. And we are supposed to be intelligent?
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No other living creature breeds and kills things purely for fun. And we are supposed to be intelligent?
Ants breed aphids and allow caterpillars to eat them so they can feed on fat catterpillars
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No other living creature breeds and kills things purely for fun. And we are supposed to be intelligent?
Ants breed aphids and allow caterpillars to eat them so they can feed on fat catterpillars
Really?
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All I can say is I'm ashamed of being human sometimes.
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We have our own traditions, perhaps not as extreme as this but we still have them. It's just a pig, and it was most likely bred for this.
-Tom.
Would it still be the same if it they were chopping a human in half? "It's just a human, still another 7 billion of them".
I never said it was a good thing. As I mentioned, It was most likely bred for this. I don't want to come across uncaring, but I don't really mind this kind of stuff, after you've been shooting animals and things, you tend not to be fussed.
-Tom.
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Animal cruelty always fills me with hatred for humanity.
It's sickening. That poor pig. :( :heart:
In picture 2 you can see it screaming in agony for fucks sake. I refuse to stare at that picture otherwise I'm going to cry my eyes out.
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I personally don't agree with this, but what you have to remember is that Animals do not compare to us humans, quite simply.
Although animals get a lot of sympathy from us we need to remember that they're basically just food. The only reason we feel like this towards them is because of the way we see them, they're cute, defenseless.. Just like the way we see babies. If someone was to harm a baby it would be 100x worse than doing the same harm to an adult, same as on an animal.
I'm still drunk I think so I don't even know if this made sense.
Tl;dr, I don't agree with it, but it isn't that bad.
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Torture like this shouldn't be acceptable, neither for humans or animals.
Instant death for animals, not like in the picture..
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Earthlings - Full length documentary (multi-subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys#)
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Remember you made me watch that, Dec?
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I never knew about this til now, but I can see why people are so uproarious over it. But then again, we kill cows, deer, chicken, all other animals for sport, and for feeding. If it's just at Vietnam, i don't see why they cannot do it since it is tradition, and its been done for a long time?
I do not support animal cruelty in the least. But i do support people being able to believe and act as they're raised.
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tbh you have no right to judge their culture just as they have no right to judge yours. Although it is very rare, some African tribes still engage in caniballism. Do I support eating other people? No. But should you respect their culture? Yes.
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As a human race we have to move on, there were lots of barbaric in the Uk, cock fighting, fox hunting are all what I can think of right now.
There are alternatives.
I belive that no living creature shouldnt lose their life needlessly
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I belive that no living creature shouldnt lose their life needlessly
I believe this too, but it's impossible for it to ever happen.
The saying for humans goes 'As long as there's man, there will be war'.
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tbh you have no right to judge their culture just as they have no right to judge yours. Although it is very rare, some African tribes still engage in caniballism. Do I support eating other people? No. But should you respect their culture? Yes.
Very much agree with this statement. I believe that whilst it is cruel, it is part of their culture. I know many will hate me for saying this but it's how I feel :/...
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tbh you have no right to judge their culture just as they have no right to judge yours. Although it is very rare, some African tribes still engage in caniballism. Do I support eating other people? No. But should you respect their culture? Yes.
Very much agree with this statement. I believe that whilst it is cruel, it is part of their culture. I know many will hate me for saying this but it's how I feel :/...
No one will HATE anyone for having a different view to them.
This is why we have mature discussions.
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I don't see why you are making such a fuss about something that DOESN'T CONCERN YOU AT ALL. There are many British things, as an American I just don't understand. Just because something is different doesn't mean that it's wrong or immoral.
Having a few years of my childhood on a farm, more times than not my family has had to sell an animal that I was close with in order to help my family's economic state in order to preserve and help me and my 3 siblings. Yea it was awful to see something that you liked being taken to get slaughtered, but it was for the good of my family.
After a few days, I pretty much forgot about the animal and as I matured, I realized that it was actually a good thing to sell livestock because without it, my family would not have money, also, an animals life should NEVER, EVER, EVER come before the well-being of a human, especially ones that you are close to.
Back to the pig. In this case, NONE of these people miss it. In fact, the pig farmer would be HONORED that his livestock was used for an annual ritual. And the people killing the pig would be honored, as well. Slicing this live pig in half in public is like being publicly addressed by the president for these people.
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i can see all sides :P
what i think the point is, is it can/is/will be seen as inhumane killing of an animal. and the suffering/scared fright of the pig before hand is of concern to a lot of people - eg free range eggs etc in the battery hen cages fiasco.
but yes its a tradition and it is part of their culture and that shudnt be ignored.
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I honestly do not think we can throw its their culture into this argument.
A lot of Countries have barbaric traditions from hundreds and thousands of years ago, but have realised that it is inhumane to continue with them. This isn't a tribe in the Rain Forest this is a country where civilisation has arrived :)
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I honestly do not think we can throw its their culture into this argument.
A lot of Countries have barbaric traditions from hundreds and thousands of years ago, but have realised that it is inhumane to continue with them. This isn't a tribe in the Rain Forest this is a country where civilisation has arrived :)
ok. They do this because IT IS part of their culture. They don't do because it's fun or anything.
There is nothing wrong with treating animals "inhumane" because they aren't human. And if you treat animals like they are humans, that's just wrong. And btw. Vietnam is in the Rain forest and Vietnam isn't civilized.
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This topic turned into a debate on rituals
What are peoples opinion to this?
Villagers throw babies from temple roof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFe2mw2oSA#)
For 500 years, worshippers at a Muslim shrine in western India have continued the tradition -- a rite considered to bring good health and good luck to the children.
The infants land and bounce on a bed-sheet held taut by men 50 feet below, and are quickly passed through the crowd to their mothers.
Villagers say no babies have been injured during the ritual, which is practiced by Muslims and Hindus in Musti village in the district of Solapur, in the state of Maharashtra.
It also takes place elsewhere in the country, mostly in smaller villages, on special occasions.
Parents who want their infants to participate in the event first take a vow at the Baba Sheikh Umar Saheb Dargah, or temple. Villagers say the ritual is a way of giving thanks.
But critics want the practice banned, with many saying it's unsafe.
"The state has to interfere," said Sanal Edamaruku, founder and president of Rationalist International and the Indian Rationalist Association. The group supports secularism and freedom of expression
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^^ In my opinion its just nuts but if its there traditon its up to them who are we to change it. All we can do is watch and hope they learn when one of them babies get killed.