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Clan Forum => Debates => Debates archive => Topic started by: Only Lilly on April 21, 2012, 14:12:09

Title: Who is worth more?
Post by: Only Lilly on April 21, 2012, 14:12:09

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There's such a huge difference between the top and bottom salaries in each division.

Wayne Rooney gets paid £250,000 a week, whilst Swansea's star player, Joe Allen, gets £15,000 a week!

In the Championship the likes of Michael Chopra and Jermaine Beckford get around £25,000 a week. But Doncaster Rovers pay £6,000 a week on average.

In League 1 Huddersfield are paying crazy money! Jordan Rhodes gets £15,000 a week, which is huge for League 1. However, Yeovil and Exeter pay somewhere in the region of £2,500 a week. It's another huge difference.

In League 2, Crawley Town are outspending everybody in the league. Their ex-striker (who's just joined Bournemouth for £800,000), Matt Tubbs, was thought to be on £6,000 a week! However it's thought the lowest earning regular at Barnet gets £750 a week, which isn't a lot!

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The most a nurse can earn on the NHS is around £97,000 per year but this is highly specialised and there are very few nurses who reach this level.

The average nurse, after years of experience will earn between £20,000 and £30,000 per year.

A doctor starts work on £22,000 when they first qualify and it goes up to £27,000 in the second year.

Once specialised they earn £30,000 per year, which can increase to £70,000 depending on their grade.

Consultants earn between £70,000 and £100,000 per year depending on experience.

This is all on the NHS. Working privately can bring in much more money but it is highly competitive.

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Location: Ealing, West London (W5) , W5 Salary: £6.20-£6.20 Date posted: 21/04/2012 12:06Job type:Permanent Company: Saga Homecare

Why do sports people have the chance to earn millions do what they enjoy, why the people that actually help the quality of peoples lives earn a pittance?


This world needs to get its priorities right.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:22:43

Sorry but this is highly HIGHLY out of context.

The amount of people as skilled as Wayne Roomey you can count on your right hand. They get paid for what they are good at and people watch them because they enjoy watching it. How many skilled players are there out there's playing in the higher leagues of sports? Compare that to how many middle-class upper-class and lOwer-class people there are out there. Heck, if you had the skill you could be a professional football player too, but sadly you don't and neither do 99.9 percent of the population. They get paid for that because they are that 0.01% and deserve to be I. That pay grade. No one is saying you cant make good money. If you go to university for biology nf then medical school afterwards you can be making upwards of £600,000 per year. But it takes the practice and skill to do that. Just as it does for high paid athletes. You would never make the comparison between a surgeon and
A nurse because a surgeon has to be born with smarts and talent, but neither should you make the comparison between a soccer player and a nurse because a soccer player
Has to be born with the talent as well.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

And also cash flow in football is huge.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: vos on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Winter on April 21, 2012, 15:29:00

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

^ This.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:30:07

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Athletes have long and hard physical trainings everyday. They literally push their limits, they are capeable of things, which most people aren't.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:33:38

I also wish to include that Actors can and do make more than football players when theydo the exact same thing, in hindsight.

They entertain with a talent they are born with and work and practice long hours in order to be the best.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: vos on April 21, 2012, 15:36:15

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:30:07

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Athletes have long and hard physical trainings everyday. They literally push their limits, they are capeable of things, which most people aren't.

Do you know what it takes to become a nurse?

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Winter on April 21, 2012, 15:37:55

So, are you both (Ardo and Robb) trying to say that being an athlete is more worthy than being in the medical department?

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:38:59

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:36:15

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:30:07

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Athletes have long and hard physical trainings everyday. They literally push their limits, they are capeable of things, which most people aren't.

Do you know what it takes to become a nurse?

3 years in any college for a BSN

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:39:34

Yes, fox.
Everyone can learn to become a doctor. Tbh, I am about to finish my school and if I want I could easily go and learn medicine but the point is that I don't want.

Abbie, watch the numbers in OP. Clearly it is.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:40:11

No I'm not saying that and never even implied it I'm just saying there's a reason why they're paid so much more, and that, opposed I what Lilly said, in this case the world does have their priorities in order pay wise.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: vos on April 21, 2012, 15:47:49

Easely learn medicine he sais. I'm already sick of this lol.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:49:42

Ardo is also wrong. No One easily learns medicine
I myself wish to become a surgeon, and it'll take high 80's in high school as well as 90's in university which are VERY difficult to get. In no way at all is medicine easy to get into.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:50:48

Both of my parents are doctors, I do know what I am talking.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: R on April 21, 2012, 15:52:37

Maybe it's different in Estonia.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: vos on April 21, 2012, 15:53:14

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:50:48

Both of my parents are doctors, I do know what I am talking.

An afghan top level doctor fled from his country to live in the Netherlands. Wanna know what he does now? He's cleans toilets for a living. It's not the same everywhere.

I do get where you're coming from, seeing as you're a sports fanatic. But you simply cannot compare athletic talents to intelligence.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:57:23

Well I may have to add that I will finish school wiht good results.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Winter on April 21, 2012, 15:58:14

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:53:14

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:50:48

Both of my parents are doctors, I do know what I am talking.

But you simply cannot compare athletic talents to intelligence.

Qft!

Also, my Mum is a nurse and my work experience in late June-early July is medical practice in a certain aspect so I will actually experience a little bit of what it takes. If athletes are really that much more worthy and important than medical care - lets just scrap all the medical care and focus more on the athletes? Also, when athletes attain injuries - who is there to help them? DOCTORS. NURSES. SURGEONS. Some of these athletes wouldn't be back on that pitch if it weren't for them. Don't they deserve a thank you?

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Tim on April 21, 2012, 16:08:22

Talking about salary differences almost always causes trouble...

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: angel imy on April 21, 2012, 16:19:37

at the end of the day, people are willing to pay more for footballers as there are only a few 'amazing' ones and with them on there team they have a better chance of winning things witch makes them more money and people come to see them. the amount of good footballers in the world isnt huge however, the amount of doctors and nurses are in the millions. if there were only like a few thousand nurses in the world they would be getting paid high as they would be in need. All depends on supply and demand.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: angel imy on April 21, 2012, 16:23:46

Fact: 'There are about 60 million health workers worldwide' due to so much supply there are so many people doing the job when someone is employing someone they would pick someone who is cheaper and as so much competition there salary arent as high as top footballers. as there are only a few thousand of those.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Only Lilly on April 21, 2012, 16:56:42

Nurses, Care Workers, teaching assistants are mainly female dominated careers, has this something to do with less pay?

Explain to me why female footballers who train just as hard as males earn a fraction of what their male counterparts do.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: angel imy on April 21, 2012, 17:03:52

people pay to go watch men footballers. the teams make more money from sales from tickets/ selling shirts and stuff from the men then the women. no one really watches women football. its just how it is

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Winter on April 21, 2012, 17:15:50

Quote from: Only Lilly on April 21, 2012, 16:56:42

Nurses, Care Workers, teaching assistants are mainly female dominated careers, has this something to do with less pay?

Explain to me why female footballers who train just as hard as males earn a fraction of what their male counterparts do.

Quote from: Angel Imy on April 21, 2012, 17:03:52

people pay to go watch men footballers.

Just like how in the porn industry women are paid more than men as women are in higher demand and people mainly watch porn for the women.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 17:26:08

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1661038.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/finance/news/newsid=1661038.html)

You can get somekind of overview on money in football.
Btw clubs get even more from sponsors

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: nbates93 on April 21, 2012, 17:29:39

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:30:07

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Athletes have long and hard physical trainings everyday. They literally push their limits, they are capeable of things, which most people aren't.

oop comere and let me tackle you  oh no i broke your leg? gf your career you no longer have what it takes

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 17:34:07

Quote from: nbates93 on April 21, 2012, 17:29:39

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:30:07

Quote from: C'est le Fox on April 21, 2012, 15:26:06

Quote from: Ardo on April 21, 2012, 15:23:48

You have no idea, what it takes to be a top athlete. You have no idea, how much they have trained to get that far.
Everyone can learn to be a nurse, only few of us have what it takes to be athlete.

Can I ask what you base that on?

Athletes have long and hard physical trainings everyday. They literally push their limits, they are capeable of things, which most people aren't.

oop comere and let me tackle you  oh no i broke your leg? gf your career you no longer have what it takes

Firstly, what's wrong with you?
Secondly, top athletes are mentally so strong that they can come back after recovering. Watch Muamba, he was 'dead' 78 minutes and he may come back to the pitch next year.

Title: Re: Who is worth more?
Post by: Redtunnel on April 21, 2012, 17:45:45

Can we conclude that, in general, entertainment is more important than saving lives? :P

I believe there is talent in every field of profession. There probably is a doctor whose talent in medicine is equivalent to C. Ronaldo in football, but why doesn't that doctor make as much money? While they both are a scarce resource to their employer, only one of them makes a fortune. People are only going to care enough to support the doctor's salary if it's their life on the line.