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Clan Forum => Debates => Debates archive => Topic started by: Aghast on September 25, 2012, 18:25:50
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As many (idk) of you might know, we have an election coming up in the United States. One issue that is brought up a lot is the topic of abortion.
What is Abortion?
Abortion is known as the termination of an unwanted pregnancy. It is an option given to most mothers at the birthing stage, and is a very touchy issue in today's society. Most people are either Pro-Life or Pro Choice.
What is Pro-Life/Pro-Choice
Pro-Life is the name given to the people who are against abortion. Pro-Life simply means "for life". Many people, including myself, fall in this category and believe that abortion is wrong, and it should be done away with.
Now, I am Pro-Life for around 99.99% of the time. There are two cases in which I believe abortion should be used to terminate a pregnancy, and those are in cases of rape and incest.
Pro-Choice is the name given to people who are for abortion. This means that they agree with Roe v. Wade, which gives mothers the choice to terminate their pregnancy IF they want to. There are clinics around the world that give abortions.
Time hastens me, i need to leave study hall. What are your opinions on abortion? Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
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I'm pro-choice.
However, I think it's wrong if you purposely (having complete awareness and not being drunk, dazed or in a different state of mind) have unprotected sex with somebody and then have an abortion if you find out you're pregnant.
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Kill it before it's born and turns into a Robb.
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Who are we to tell a person what they can and can't do in that situation? Many people become extremely ignorant with this subject and it angers me to no end.
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I'm pro-choice.
However, I think it's wrong if you purposely (having complete awareness and not being drunk, dazed or in a different state of mind) have unprotected sex with somebody and then have an abortion if you find out you're pregnant.
I disagree with it being used as some kind of contraception, but if it's an unwanted pregnancy I think it's okay to terminate until the weeks where the heart is developed, and nervous system is working, but that's not until about5-6 months. At first it's just a group of cells, not a living organism.
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I'm pro-choice.
Personally I think that you should always have the option. I mean I agree with Winter's comment, but if that was enforced, because of the mother's choice to have unprotected sex (as silly as it was), that would mean the baby would be brought into this world regardless of the situation. What if the situation the mother was in wasn't suitable? I.e no fixed abode, no financial income or maybe the mother is just too young and isn't mature enough for a child. It happens these days.
That's the main reason I'm pro-choice. I can see why some people are against it, terminating a potential life, but still there are more situations than incest or rape where abortion should be allowed. It's unfair on the child to be brought into the world where it's life will be made difficult or even threatened.
Is it fair to bring a baby into a world that wont treat it as best it could?
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I'm pro-choice.
Personally I think that you should always have the option. I mean I agree with Winter's comment, but if that was enforced, because of the mother's choice to have unprotected sex (as silly as it was), that would mean the baby would be brought into this world regardless of the situation. What if the situation the mother was in wasn't suitable? I.e no fixed abode, no financial income or maybe the mother is just too young and isn't mature enough for a child. It happens these days.
That's the main reason I'm pro-choice. I can see why some people are against it, terminating a potential life, but still there are more situations than incest or rape where abortion should be allowed. It's unfair on the child to be brought into the world where it's life will be made difficult or even threatened.
Is it fair to bring a baby into a world that wont treat it as best it could?
Totally agreed.
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i'm pro choice
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i'm pro choice
Looks like most are thank godd!
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I'm pro-choice.
Personally I think that you should always have the option. I mean I agree with Winter's comment, but if that was enforced, because of the mother's choice to have unprotected sex (as silly as it was), that would mean the baby would be brought into this world regardless of the situation. What if the situation the mother was in wasn't suitable? I.e no fixed abode, no financial income or maybe the mother is just too young and isn't mature enough for a child. It happens these days.
That's the main reason I'm pro-choice. I can see why some people are against it, terminating a potential life, but still there are more situations than incest or rape where abortion should be allowed. It's unfair on the child to be brought into the world where it's life will be made difficult or even threatened.
Is it fair to bring a baby into a world that wont treat it as best it could?
I completely agree with what you've said. I was trying to put into words what you have just said but I guess it came across differently.
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I am totally against it.
Not being ready or not wanting is no excuse. If you are "mature" enough to be doing that sort of stuff then you have to deal with what happens.
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But it's just a group of cells, not even a baby at that stage. By the time it has developed into one, its illegal to terminate anyway. It's not an excuse but there's no point bringing up a family if you can't guarantee a good life for your child.
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I''m not against it or in favour of it!
Purely because as we are the age where sex is becoming a pleasure we have to take responsibility for being safe. It's not right to let a baby be born into a family in which won't be able to fund it or give it a substantial life. But this surely agrees with abortion - no because we have the responsibility so if it is in the form of 'oh, well I was drunk and had a one night fling and we both forgot protection' therefore it's your mistake and you deserve to have to carry this life in you and then be the mother as otherwise you are just murdering life.
But life doesn't start until we are born? Why's that, just because we are not born does not mean we are not alive. In a foetus we are growing, our heart is beating and we have a soul when we are a group of cells which form a foetus.
Therefore, I believe that abortion should not be the case if you are stupid enough to be careless and become pregnant.
Only times I belive it is right is if you are the victim of rape, the childs laugh is in danger or the mothers life is in danger.
'Put it on, Before you get it on'
'Don't be silly, Wrap you're willy'
Just my warnings ;)
Alex
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I'm going to voice my opinion.
I embrace the fact that parents get to choose if they want the pregnancy or not. But if they are not suitable parents, putting a baby up for adoption is the better way to go. If you are mature enough to have a baby (as in you are fully developed hormonally), then you should be MATURE enough to make sure that you are ready to have a baby. For this reason, i am pro-life.
In cases of rape and incest, i am pro-choice. No parent, no matter how old, should EVER have to go through that, and if they do, it takes a serious emotional toll on the family.
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In cases of rape and incest, i am pro-choice. No parent, no matter how old, should EVER have to go through that, and if they do, it takes a serious emotional toll on the family.
The problem there is that rape can happen inside a marriage, it's not all dark alleyways, how do you decide which women can choose and which just need to get on with it and give birth.
Knowing you are not ready to have a child but having to give birth then facing the possibility of giving the kid away, that can destroy a woman. You may have created a life but was it worth the destruction of another?
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I'm Pro-choice to an extent.
I think women should have the choice to do what they want with their own body, but there should be a limit to when a woman can get an abortion with a few exceptions.
A women can't get an abortion after the 1st trimester unless...
* It threatens their life.
* Rape/ incest
The reason why I don't think a woman should get a abortion after the first trimester is because it's very dangerous. (even with miscarriages).
That's my opinion. :3
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I am totally against it.
Not being ready or not wanting is no excuse. If you are "mature" enough to be doing that sort of stuff then you have to deal with what happens.
Would you feel good if you were only alive because your parent's have to 'deal with what happens?' I'd personally feel a bit shit. I mean there is adoption to consider, but really that's punishing the child for something that isn't their fault..
I'm not arguing btw lol :hug:
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Pro Choice, their baby their choice, if they feel inhumane enough to do it its their choice, i'd never do it though
*this is my opinion I don't want grief over it it's a sensitive subject*
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I would love to be a dad.
But I am pro-choice >:(
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I believe abortion is wrong unless it's because of rape/incest. There was something about a woman having an abortion (illegally) at 39 weeks or something the other day. Absolutely disgusting.
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I believe abortion is wrong unless it's because of rape/incest. There was something about a woman having an abortion (illegally) at 39 weeks or something the other day. Absolutely disgusting.
Thing is, rape is a horrible thing and should a woman really have to tick the box that says "I was raped" before she's allowed to terminate a pregnancy? How can you tell she was raped since the woman doesn't have to fight for it to be rape, it was simply lack of consent and may not even show in an examination. Even then, would you put her through that kind of examination to be allowed to terminate?
Incest, again, do you mean if she comes forward saying it was incest or would she be put through forced abortion because someone else advised it was incest?
I think you open it to all and you do your best to ensure that society's attitude never says that it's another form of contraception.
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I hate all this bullshit grey area, it's either black or white. Don't try to justify killing a child when they have done absolutely nothing wrong. If a girl is raped and a pregnancy is a product of that rape, doesn't that human being deserve a right to live? The child should not be punished for the sins of the father.
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I hate all this bullshit grey area, it's either black or white. Don't try to justify killing a child when they have done absolutely nothing wrong. If a girl is raped and a pregnancy is a product of that rape, doesn't that human being deserve a right to live? The child should not be punished for the sins of the father.
At that stage is at child really a child? Shouldn't the woman come first and the baby second while it is still in her womb?
If I'm honest I couldn't disagree with you more but then I'm completely pro choice.
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Roman Catholics are the most strict/unforgiving when it comes to abortion but even they say that if the child is a product of rape or incest then it doesn't count.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
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Only if the female should die from childbirth should said female be eligible for an abortion.
P.S people that are raped can't have babies.
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P.S people that are raped can't have babies.
Where the hell did you get that absurd statement from?
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P.S people that are raped can't have babies.
Where the hell did you get that absurd statement from?
U.S. Rep. Todd Akin says 'Rape Victims Rarely Get Pregnant' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joxny3rco_4#ws)
Yea if it's a legitimate rape, a women has a way to stop being pregnant.
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I hope you're trolling.
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I think you may need to study a bit harder in health classes. Seems like trolling to me
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... People never take me seriously.
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because that idea is simplistic - narrow minded and utterly stupid
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lool i hope you dont actually believe that.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Where in my post did you read that? Lol.
Abortion is simply halting the division of cells. Why should a government which is predominantly male decide what women are allowed to do with THEIR bodies? Better yet, who are you to tell them that it's wrong?
Minin Cape, I lol'd
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Minin's thing is irrelevant, as the man in the video misspoke and had facts wrong, and admitted to misspeaking and being wrong, and apologized.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Where in my post did you read that? Lol.
Abortion is simply halting the division of cells. Why should a government which is predominantly male decide what women are allowed to do with THEIR bodies? Better yet, who are you to tell them that it's wrong?
Minin Cape, I lol'd
Wise words.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
I couldn't agree more with that ^
Imo only reason abortion should be allowed is if you've been raped.
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Don't you think that every WOMAN should talk to her family and make HER OWN DECISION?
I certainly don't feel like I have the right to make that decision for her.
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Abortion only allowed those who were raped?
What about them one night stands?
Or one that came at the wrong time?
Or one that is probably with your 'fling'?
Should be the decision of the holder. She will endure the process and should be the one to have the final say.
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Sex is fun, some times condoms don't work. Why should the baby be forced to live a compromised life, or one that is not as good compared to that of others just because a piece of rubber was broken?
Truth.
I don't want kids anyway, so abortions is fine with me, as long as it's done in time.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
I think anything that has the potential to be a human being should be treated as a human being. That being said, I think people should make these decisions for themselves. I am in no way saying that abortion should be outlawed. These are simply my opinions on the matter and what I would do if I was in this kind of situation.
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in my opinion i am neither 100% pro life or 100% pro choice but i lean towards pro-life. it is ultimately the female's decision, nothing the male/father can do about it, i do think it is wrong and do not approve of it but as gary said if it is in the right timeframe its better sooner than later. in the matter of a women being raped i still feel it not right for abortion but its not my choice, it should not make a difference if the offspring is a product of rape. in my opinion a mother who is ready for children would go through with it, and if they do not want the baby there is always the choice of adoption. when there is consent to sex and for some freak accident i believe that 100% it should not be aborted because if the participants are not ready for a baby, and there is always a chance even with a contraceptive device, they still took that risk and there are consequences to every action. im not 100% pro-life or pro-choice but i do lean towards life and i may sound stupid and hypocritical in my opinion.
in other news i heard they have fetus soup in china
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
I think anything that has the potential to be a human being should be treated as a human being. That being said, I think people should make these decisions for themselves. I am in no way saying that abortion should be outlawed. These are simply my opinions on the matter and what I would do if I was in this kind of situation.
You didnt answer my questions ;o
You could argue that the baby has the potential to be a murderer or rapist also..
Its just a bunch of multiplying cells.
So are you saying you will never have sex, unless you plan to have a child?
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
I think anything that has the potential to be a human being should be treated as a human being. That being said, I think people should make these decisions for themselves. I am in no way saying that abortion should be outlawed. These are simply my opinions on the matter and what I would do if I was in this kind of situation.
You didnt answer my questions ;o
You could argue that the baby has the potential to be a murderer or rapist also..
Its just a bunch of multiplying cells.
So are you saying you will never have sex, unless you plan to have a child?
Isn't that what sex is for? I HATE THESE NEW KIDS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SEX AND DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
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People who say abortion is murder are retarded. No heartbeat is present until 8 weeks, and no cognitive thoughts until 4 months(ish).
I'm pro-choice, as long as it's done in the proper timeframe.
Are you saying that the fetus has no potential to be a human being? I just don't see why we get to play god and deny someone the right to live.
Do you feel the same about the morning after pill then?
Or maybe contraception? Isn't that throwing away something that has the potential to be life in some kind of way?
I think anything that has the potential to be a human being should be treated as a human being. That being said, I think people should make these decisions for themselves. I am in no way saying that abortion should be outlawed. These are simply my opinions on the matter and what I would do if I was in this kind of situation.
You didnt answer my questions ;o
You could argue that the baby has the potential to be a murderer or rapist also..
Its just a bunch of multiplying cells.
So are you saying you will never have sex, unless you plan to have a child?
Isn't that what sex is for? I HATE THESE NEW KIDS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SEX AND DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
But even using contraception, wouldnt you say that is stopping the potential for a human being?
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Amy, it's either using protection or a load of 15 year old little skets running round popping children out left right and centre, pretty sure that wouldn't be a suitable situation for any child to be brought up
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Amy, it's either using protection or a load of 15 year old little skets running round popping children out left right and centre, pretty sure that wouldn't be a suitable situation for any child to be brought up
You have missed my point totally Alex. I am for protection 100%. I was simply asking skilz pwnd his view on that, because he seems against that too from what he had said.
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Amy, it's either using protection or a load of 15 year old little skets running round popping children out left right and centre, pretty sure that wouldn't be a suitable situation for any child to be brought up
You have missed my point totally Alex. I am for protection 100%. I was simply asking skilz pwnd his view on that, because he seems against that too from what he had said.
Sperm on its own has no potential for life, so I am 100% for contraception.