Sure she is better than Trump?

Thanks so much for keeping this thread updated, I am enjoying it very much

I'm going to be voting for Clinton for sure. She aligns with my political views much more than Trump does and Trump's mannerisms, temperament, language, attitude, etc. all DO NOT align with that of a President in my opinion. I'm pretty passionate about this election as I have a strong dislike of the Republican candidate this year... But I always love hearing both sides to see if I can challenge their opinions and defend mine.

Only thing I can say about this thread is I was hoping for a little more debate about the candidates and certain topics.

As more time passes, the numbers are polarizing even more with Clinton in a comfortable lead. Here is a picture from RealClearPolitics, a website that shows the last few polls and averages them together to show where each of the candidates stand.



Clinton has gotten a major boost after more scandals coming from Trump and his campaign including him "shooing" a baby and the mother out of a rally when he was crying, saying that if his daughter was being sexually harassed at work that she should just "get another job", that President Obama "founded ISIS", and most recently, that 2nd amendment (the right to bear arms) supporters should "do something" about Hillary Clinton.

Not seen this thread before and I've enjoyed reading it!!! I did that test and was firmly a democrat ;o

Trump just gets worse and worse, or is it Hilarys publicity people  do a better job?

Swedish (and European media, I presume) never portray Trump in a positive light. Is this also true for American media?

Swedish (and European media, I presume) never portray Trump in a positive light. Is this also true for American media?

Most of the media in America is liberal - so yes, the media most definitely usually portrays Trump in a negative sense. When it comes to TV news media, the only station that is conservatively biased is Fox News, which says very little negatively about him while bashing Hillary as much as possible. I think that the fact that the media is liberal does have something to do with the negativity, but in my own opinion, it really shouldn't matter. When you take into account things that he's said, how he's said them, things he's done, and positions he's taken, you shouldn't NEED to be liberal to criticize him. He's an abomination to our political system and utterly scares me with the fact that he could represent my country. Again though, that's just my opinion.

Hillary is known for being very calculative and seen as the candidate who says anything necessary to get elected. She's the typical politician. Nothing "new" about her campaign, which is why this election is such a huge deal - we have a non-traditional, never elected businessman vs. the traditional elected politician. While yes I do believe Hillary's campaign has her image under control much better, I don't think that's the issue with Trump. Trump just ignores what's being told to him by his campaign.

If you look up interview of American politicians who are Republicans, in his own party, and even ones that have supported him, it's a crapshoot to watch. It's easily seen that they're just supporting him for the party even though they know that he's a disaster. One major Republican and former presidential candidate Rick Santorum was visiting an extremely liberal TV show and watching him stutter and try to defend Trump was horrific. He at one point even said that because Trump behaved himself today, he should pat himself on the back. Even as a joke, having to say that about your party's candidate running for president is a disgrace.

This last Monday, the first presidential debate occurred with both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. It's the first time that they both debated on the topics chosen.
What are you thoughts on the debate if you watched it? Who do you think won?

Here is the debate if you're interested in watching it:

I honestly don't think Donald and Hillary are in the same ballpark.  Hillary is flawed but she is still a very good candidate with years of experience in different areas of government.  She has accomplished a lot.  If you look at the Conservative and Republican newspapers - a lot of them are actually not endorsing Donald Trump or are actually endorsing Hillary.  If you look at the fact checkers, Hillary is rated much more honest than Donald.  Donald's business record is not clear - producing his taxes or even the first two pages would go a long way to showing his success/failure.  Donald also doesn't really have many plans that can be evaluated (as an engineer - I like to research things - and I did vote Republican for the San Diego Mayor).  Most of Hillary's life has been under a microscope.  Nothing has been actionable.  There are definitely things coming to light that are questionable with Donald's business practices.  I am from NJ originally and knew people who had not gotten paid what they were contracted for with Trump.  Atlantic City was a disaster.  His long history of doubling down on comments about appearances bugs me too. 

By the way, I really like fivethirtyeight.com - they are a math site - they have quants on either side of the aisle - and they are pretty neutral about following the data.

By the way, I really like fivethirtyeight.com - they are a math site - they have quants on either side of the aisle - and they are pretty neutral about following the data.

You bring up a good point about the website. I'll go ahead and post a link to it because I think it's very useful.
FiveThirtyEight Presidential Election coverage: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Thanks, that's an interesting website

The debate last week went just like I said it would: It was more of a 'yo momma battle' than anything else.  A he said, she said argument.  It was embarrasing and I almost stopped watching because truth be told I'm not a huge fan of either candidate.  As bad as I think Hillary is, Trump is yet to show the "serious Trump" he keeps promising everyone he'll be if/when he's in office.  If there was a time to show that side of himself, the first Presidential Debate was an ideal place to do so. 

Needles to say I'm not entirely sure what to expect, but I know who I'm going to vote for.  I am preparing for the worst.  These next 4 years are going to be very ugly no matter who is elected. 

Depending on how this goes, Pebble has told me we may be moving back to the UK lol

I know the majority of the UK are worried who gets in.

I know the majority of the UK are worried who gets in.

Are they? I've not heard anybody mention it in public, let alone be worried about it.