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Offline Cherrycrush

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2016, 21:44:55 »
I got 84% Hillary and 82% Sanders, would probably vote Sanders

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Offline Powerless

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2016, 23:14:17 »
RECENT ELECTION NEWS:

Emails have surfaced showing that the Democratic National Convention (DNC) favored Clinton throughout the primary showing major bias against Sanders. Sanders had been commonly saying that the system was rigged against him and called for the head of the DNC to resign due to it. With these new emails months after, the head of the DNC is refusing to speak at the convention next week and is resigning afterward.

With how well Sanders did during the primary, especially toward the end when gaining traction, you can only wonder how much further he would have went with more media coverage, more transparency to the public, and made more available to hear from.

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Offline maraderkholm

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 00:17:45 »
I think Sanders would be fine as President same as Hillary although honestly I think she has more knowledge about how to get things done politically.  My main concern with Sanders is Gun Control.  I have no problem with his changing position - I think the country has evolved and it is good to see people grow (as long as they don't keep changing back and forth rapidly).  It's his current comments that Gun Control is mainly a state issue that have me concerned.  The United States needs to enact common sense gun legislation that the overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens want.  But there are things I disagree with Hillary on too.

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Offline maraderkholm

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 00:22:25 »
Also - I am not sure the DNC has as much influence as people might think.  Honestly, the RNC did not want Donald Trump as nominee - they fought it covertly then overtly.  I think that in the age of internet and a billion tv channels - it is harder to influence races.

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Offline Palace

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2016, 01:09:49 »
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


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Offline Powerless

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2016, 02:21:24 »
Also - I am not sure the DNC has as much influence as people might think.  Honestly, the RNC did not want Donald Trump as nominee - they fought it covertly then overtly.  I think that in the age of internet and a billion tv channels - it is harder to influence races.

I agree that they may not have as much power as people think, but they still have power. And yes, the RNC definitely didn't want Trump, but the difference between Trump and Sanders is that Trump got the unlimited supply of free "advertising' and publicity through news networks because of the controversial things he was saying. Because Sanders wasn't saying these outrageous things, he didn't get he coverage.

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Offline maraderkholm

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2016, 05:24:36 »
There are huge differences between Sanders and Trump.  The media gave Trump unprecedented coverage that none of the RNC or DNC candidates got.  That being said Trump didn't get a lot of the funding (whether he said he wanted it or not - he wasn't being courted by the Republican donors and he got turned down by a bunch) the other candidates got and ran a bare bones campaign relatively speaking because of the free media coverage.  I stand by that I am not sure the DNC damaged Sander's prospects significantly.  Sanders made huge progress and had a big impact on the campaign.  I think a lot of Democrats were wary of Sanders though because they were not sure of how he would match up against the perceived Republican candidate (which probably was not initially thought of by most as Donald Trump) and because they didn't want to have a Ross Perot effect.  Whether either of those were true or not - I think that hurt Sanders more than DNC machinations.  Frankly I would have liked to see Biden in the race.

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Offline Only Lilly

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Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2016, 07:59:22 »
When do the elections start?

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Offline Eddie

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2016, 10:02:34 »
see people may hate more saying this but if i have to choose between hilary or trump......well my vote going to trump..(really dont like politics so kinda gonna regret posting in here but here my opinion)

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Offline Powerless

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 17:50:23 »
The election is in November, Lilly.

Why Trump, Eddie?

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Offline maraderkholm

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2016, 19:02:23 »
Election day is 11/8/2016.  Rules vary from state-to-state but in most states you can send in ballots earlier.  Some states have voting over multiple days to make it easier for people who work or can't get rides other times to get to polling places. 
Looking at the news - I don't think the DNC actually impacted the Sanders' campaign (although they might not have been helpful) - I think they discussed (and shouldn't have - they should have supported all candidates equally) how to damage Sanders' campaign.  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448

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Offline maraderkholm

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 19:09:36 »
One problem with the Supreme Court saying that news does not have to be truthful is it is very hard to figure out in the U.S. what is real and what isn't.  I think that is a problem for both parties.  Basically, anyone can start a rumor or a meme and repeat it so often that people take it for fact.  Or if they don't take it as fact, they basically think well there has to be something there because people keep talking about it.  One thing I would really like to see is some (maybe administered by a third party) standard for truthfulness.  For example, if something has been discredited - you shouldn't be able to present it as fact.  If you accidentally post something that is false and find out later - you should have to post prominently that there was an error.  When I took journalism in college (a long time ago) that was what they taught us was done.  They really don't do that any more. 
And Republican, Liberal, Democrat, and Conservative groups have their own sources which are internally consistent.  They don't fall apart until you do more research.  One thing I try to do is read multiple sources to see if I can get an idea of what is really going on.  And a lot of times that is very difficult to do.
I think it is harder on younger people too because I grew up with watching these people over decades so I have seen their evolution.  A lot of younger votes (my two oldest kids included) are having to process a lot of information, historical events, and opinions without having lived through or really understanding what happened.

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Offline Eddie

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 21:40:12 »
voting for hilary is like taking a lethal injection and voting for trump is a firing squad.  both imo are not who id personally want but honestly it the options so i chose trump yes Everyone hates him but the fact of the emails hilary had hidden kinda makes me not trust her.

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Offline Palace

Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2016, 21:48:49 »
The problem I have with Trump is that I picked the most offensive and idiotic answers that I could on the poll, and I agreed with Trump on 95% of them lol

The problem I have with Clinton is that she's a snake

Not voting this time

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Re: United States 2016 Presidential Election Discussion and Debate
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2016, 02:49:45 »
The problem I have with Trump is that I picked the most offensive and idiotic answers that I could on the poll, and I agreed with Trump on 95% of them lol

The problem I have with Clinton is that she's a snake

Not voting this time

I'm not american, but I believe their are other candidates, and should probably be an abstain vote as well.  Voting for something is better than voting for nothing at all

 

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