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Aaron

Gun Politics
« on: December 17, 2012, 17:13:11 »
What's everyone's opinions on all the 'recent' gun crimes in America? Do you think they should change the gun laws?

Since Barack Obama has been in charge, there has been 4 major incidents much like the other day involving shootings.


I think what Morgan Freeman allegedly said sums up my feelings.




"Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened on Friday:

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 17:29:41 »
Just to jump on the Facebook bandwagon.



But yeah, the gun laws probably should be tightened. It won't stop the circulation of unregulated firearms however, America has a prominent 'gun culture' and I doubt they would be willing to give up their weapons.
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Aaron

Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 17:30:45 »
Is that taken from U WOT's page? :p
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 17:31:17 »
Quote from: Aaron on December 17, 2012, 17:30:45
Is that taken from U WOT's page? :p

Yes. :P
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Aaron

Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 17:34:56 »
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 17:48:00 »
I'm normally a liberal person, but when it comes to guns, I really prefer strict laws. In essence, I consider the self-defence argument imprudent. You can't really predict when you will be a victim of crime, e.g. a robbery, and if I can easily get a hold of a gun, so can the perpetrator; chances are he will also have a gun. If the perpetrator is already aiming his gun at me, what are the odds I will have time to draw my gun and shoot him before he pulls the trigger on me? I know guns aren't the cause of crime, but they sure make it more violent and simpler to conduct.
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 17:52:02 »
How come we don't take cars away because people are killed in car accidents?

I can see the day where we have to bike or walk to a store just to get out food cut up or prepared for us because they take knives away from us to.

What happened in CT was awful, don't get me wrong. But if someone wants to get a gun, they'll get it. According to some, rules are meant to be broken and laws fall into that category. As I said before, if a person wants to honestly have a gun, even with extremely strict gun control laws, they'll get it.
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 17:53:27 »
Quote from: Ignite on December 17, 2012, 17:52:02
How come we don't take cars away because people are killed in car accidents?
Cars aren't weapons. It may be a tragedy, but it's rarely an accident when someone pulls the trigger. :P
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 17:55:37 »
They can sure as hell easily be used as one and they have been. I know not as often as a gun, but you get my point. You can honestly use anything as a weapon.
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Runar

Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012, 17:58:38 »
I am against allowing everyone to have guns.

People say they want it for self defence, but if there were strict rules to get guns, not a lot of people would have it, which would mean less crime, but then they would result in weapon smuggling and such.
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Daggo

Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 18:01:22 »
The Constitution gives people the right to own guns. Everyone should be able to own one. I am getting my gun license soon. There are at least 10 firearms in my own house.

Guns are NOT the issue. People are the issue.

There are already restrictions on guns here. And as for the most recent accident in Connecticut, they were stolen from his mother as they were not properly stored. Also, he had a personality disorder.

So rather than blame our 'lax' gun laws, I suggest you take a look at what all the people have had in common.

Quote from: Ignite on December 17, 2012, 17:55:37
They can sure as hell easily be used as one and they have been. I know not as often as a gun, but you get my point. You can honestly use anything as a weapon.
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 18:11:24 »
Those of you who believe guns make no difference, why do you think that the US is overrepresented in massacres, intentional homicide etc? Do you really believe that the socio-economic situation and whatnot is so much worse in the US?
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 21:08:39 »
The whole "self-defense" argument I call bullshit on. The reason why Americans say they want one for self defense is because they know guns are legal in their country and that most people own at least one. In the UK, it is illegal and I know I already feel safe without having a gun or a weapon to show for it. Why? Because I don't feel threatened that the next person I see is going to be armed with a weapon they could more than easily use against me. In America, it's a cycle of fear.

What happened in Connecticut is awful and I am deeply disgusted, as well as saddened to hear of it but I do agree with Daggo on the point of people being the problem and not the guns themselves. However, being in possession of a gun can change people - it gives them a feeling of power and protection. Some people take advantage of that and use it to commit harm, fear or intimidation within others. Majority of the time, guns are used to commit harm with the intention of committing harm, not as a means to protect yourself or people around you.
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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 21:14:58 »
Guns for self defense... naw.

In my opinion, you wouldn't need a gun for self defense if you can are defending against somebody doesn't have one, so just take them all away.

Ban them all. I don't see guns having any purpose apart from an easy way for idiots to go on a killing spree.

Guns are pointless, and it is a power that nobody should have, as in in the wrong hands at any moment can lead to disastrous things.

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Re: Gun Politics
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 21:49:36 »
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