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Title: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: R on January 05, 2012, 05:24:00
I am Atheist, grew up in a Roman Catholic family and realised i wasn't what I wanted.
What are your thoughts and beliefs?


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Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Inzainiac on January 05, 2012, 05:34:44
The argument between Theists and Atheists is pointless. Nobody has given sufficient proof to show that their beliefs are the "right" ones. That 's why they are called "beliefs"; that's why the Big Bang is a "theory". Believing is what people do when there as no proof present, and theories are always subject to change. God(s) can be neither proven, nor disproven, so arguments over the matter are a waste of time that could otherwise be spent productively.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Cubchoo on January 05, 2012, 06:09:56
The argument between Theists and Atheists is pointless. Nobody has given sufficient proof to show that their beliefs are the "right" ones. That 's why they are called "beliefs"; that's why the Big Bang is a "theory". Believing is what people do when there as no proof present, and theories are always subject to change. God(s) can be neither proven, nor disproven, so arguments over the matter are a waste of time that could otherwise be spent productively.

Seemed to me like a long way of saying that neither is right because neither can prove it.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: R on January 05, 2012, 06:22:50
Inzain, I disagree. Sure, neither side can prove or disprove who is correct, but why shouldn't both sides see why one side believes one thing, and the other side another?
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Iuro on January 05, 2012, 07:24:19
The argument between Theists and Atheists is pointless. Nobody has given sufficient proof to show that their beliefs are the "right" ones. That 's why they are called "beliefs"; that's why the Big Bang is a "theory". Believing is what people do when there as no proof present, and theories are always subject to change. God(s) can be neither proven, nor disproven, so arguments over the matter are a waste of time that could otherwise be spent productively.

Wow really going to take the whole its just a theory argument about this? Well ok Zac all the elements on the periodic table are based on Atomic THEORY. The anti-bacterial meds you get for a lung infection are based off A THEORY.

Just because something is a theory doesn't discredit it at all.

Evolution is just a theory as well but lets see here we can trace human decedents how far back? And what do most people say as a argument to this? "The missing link?" No the missing link was found ages ago. Australopithecus africanus (Taung Child), Australopithecus sediba,[13][14] Homo erectus (Peking Man, Java Man, Turkana boy) = the missing link.

Everything people come up to disprove or discredit evolution would if we found it would disprove evolution if we did find it. The so called crocaduck. If that person who came up with the idea of this "thing" would have read ANYTHING about evolution they would know IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

I'm an outspoken Agnostic atheist. To me God = nature. The things that we know and are in our physical world.

Oh the christian or Abrahamic god (Christianity Jewish and Muslim) is a very interesting tale.
A Omnipotence omniscient omnipresent omni-benevolent God made everything in 6 days and rested, Had a kid which calmed him down because before that wow look the fuck out, Had him killed (Yes GOD killed Jesus if something is omnipresent then they are everywhere at once IE he was there when his son was killed and did nothing to stop it) to save humanity from the Devil who is all but powerless to stop him but has him around for the shit and giggles of it.

Yes that's believable. Every time Humanity has looked into Religious faith we have either killed millions over it (jihad Crusades Spanish inquisition.) or it became wrong over time and people laugh about it thousands of years from now. (Greek and roman mythology Norris mythology)

So because we can't prove something 100% dose NOT mean that a god did it. It means we do not 100% understand how it works. That's it.

Also let's take a look from the bible about the things that NO ONE will do any more.

If a woman speaks out in church she is to be stoned. (old testament)
If a child disrespects their parents they are to be stoned (Old testament)
Man shall lay with man. (Gays = the devil) (old testament)
A woman's job is to please her man, cook and provide children (new and old testament)

I can go on for ages about this. Religion is a dying breed and the sooner it dies the better. I'm sick of politicians saying this is the law of the land when in America THE GOVERNMENT CAN HAVE NO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING DOING WITH RELIGION (Separation of church and state) BUT YET:
GAYS CAN'T MARRY (In most states)
TO BE ELECTED IN THIS COUNTRY YOU NEED TO BE A WASP (White anglo Saxon protestant)
(a few being the exception JFK Obama)
WHERE THE MAJORITY CAN CLAM PERSECUTION (Christians complaining about fucking everything.)

K I'm done i said enough for a fucking epic almost. Should be interesting to see someone of relgous faith from here, which I'm sure there is, aruge with this. But nevertheless this is how i see it.

I DON'T CARE IF YOUR REGION HAS YOU FUCKING SHEEP. IF IT DOESN'T EFFECT ME I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO BUT WHEN IT DOSE I WILL DEFEND MY SOON TO BE RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN TO TELL YOU TO GTFO.


Atheist Comedy - Everyone's a Sinner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTH4TxESMkU#ws)
God of the Paradox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7jClyinERY#ws)
Science Saved My Soul. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk#)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: vos on January 05, 2012, 10:50:06
LAWDY
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Only Lilly on January 05, 2012, 12:06:53
I have listened to the majority of the video clips.

I will tell you what I believe in.  I don't believe there is a God as a being or a person as such. 

BUT I believe there is something more to this world than science.  Mother Earth has more power than science, she can control more on this Earth than she is give credit for.  I don't worship anything but I respect Nature and the world we live in.


 Earth-Mother-Earth:

Archaeological evidence from around the prehistoric world suggests that the Earth may have once been viewed/worshipped as a living, female being. Ancient texts and mythologies support the idea that the primary goddess was intimately associated to the earth, fertility and agriculture, as epitomised by Cybele, the Phrygian Earth mother, who represented the fertile earth and was the Goddess of caverns, mountains and all nature. The Greek Cybil's later became the female oracles inspired to divination by the Gods.

The worship of the Earth-mother was a common belief before the more recent development of the patriarchal society (c. 3,000 BC), coinciding with a shift in focus from Lunar to Solar worship across Neolithic Europe. Traces of a matriarchal society can be seen reaching back into the Palaeolithic period through the numerous Venus figures discovered in Europe. The early mother-earth belief system also had close connections to the beliefs in the afterlife, as seen in the use of red-ochre in funerary rights.

What is Paganism? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLxmlnAI8A#)

Where Science and Buddhism Meet PART 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_i7YqDwJA#)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Winter on January 05, 2012, 15:06:10
Religion is an excuse for war, however it is an interesting topic.

I personally am a non religious agnostic from a non religious atheist father and a Catholic mother. My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Aaron on January 05, 2012, 15:20:34
My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.

You don't have to do any of those things to be a good Christian. Js.

I myself am an Atheist, both my Mother and Step dad are Christians, but oddly my mum believes in Evolution as well (She's a scientist.)
The short and simple way I see it, is I don't believe in it until something happens to me (personally), to make me  believe. This is how I treat other things like believing in Ghosts, or Aliens.
I do like asking both my parents questions though, not trying to discredit their beliefs but just to grasp how they feel about there religion, such as ; If God forgives everyone, if you have been bad your entire life, disbelieving in God, breaking all of his laws etc, can't you just ask for forgiveness moments before you die and be granted into heaven? And if he forgives everyone why is there a need for hell? It's simple things like that which just don't make me believe.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: angel imy on January 05, 2012, 15:31:47
my parents are both Sikh but i'm atheist, they think a lot of things i always question and they just tell me to shut up :/ they say stuff then get stuck what else to say and just ignore it. they selectivly choose what to believe. i think a lot of people just follow there parents beliefs as they grow up so they just think its right as their parents said so. most of it is just like chinise whispers, someone says something and other people add to it and then something else is said and stuff. they start explaining one thing and go off to something random :s

also all these different religions say that their 'God' the one they believe in is correct. but they all have differnt views and just contridict eachother. they just think there way is the right way. but from an outsiders view they are all just like going against eachother and themselves and just causing conflicts. someone that hasnt been born into a religion family may look at all the religions out there and just think none of them are right, they say there is a God but all say that God is different. also a lot of the stuff is like oh this cant be proved, its a mircal so it must be good. just because something now cant be proven doesnt mean the reason for an event to occur was this allmighty being God. years ago people though the earth was flat, you would fall of the edge, people laugh at that now but then there wasnt proof for it so they believe it. now if something happens that we cant explain people say oh look science cant show this, its a act of God. maybe in a 100 years people would be laughing about that. tbh there isnt a right or wrong, no one knows. believe what you want no one should tell you otherwise. its your life :)

personally i find some beliefs what they say to be ridiculous. life after death? no one knows tbh.. also in some religions they believe if you do something u can get rid of your sins or something. or if u die during a certian time u go heaven or other stuff. so if u become hitler but when ur about to die u pray or something u go heaven? muslims believe if u go to that black thing and walk around ur sin are gone? or if u die durning fasting or w.e so yeah im just going to go kill everyone and do all this bad stuff but then go do 1 good thing and yeah i go heaven. pro logic. some religions drinking holy water makes sins go away or going to certain places. when i went india in summer we went to some place. apparently if u plant a tree there u get a son? i waas like lol there is no link between those things. and they have like a few people saying oh i couldnt have a baby for 15 years and i planted a tree. big deal thats no proof for a tree giving u a baby lol. some people wear things like red thread or something or some holy things to pretect them from evil spirits.

my family never use to be religious when i was young. but like 7 years ago my dad went into depression and for like 6 months he just couldnt do anything and ended up just in bed and stuff. and then some family in india told him about this 7 day prayer thing where they read the holy book non stop for 7 days and ur meant to be there and it does something to u. my dad went there and did the thing and claims that made him better. but it was just his mind, but it made him change as a person. before he use to drink daily and eat meat and do other stuff now he like religious and does nothing. and he does good stuff like every month he donates to some thing in india that built new temples or something. but one thing in his life just changed him. and now he thinks what i do is wrong. he stops me from going out and having fun, he says listening to music is wrong. doesnt let me do like anything i want :/ makes me kinda dislike him and he just has it in his head bcos of one little thing that he is just right and everyone else is wrong. he makes me feel like that i cant wait to go uni next year and leave the house and acctully live my own life. he can live his life what way he wants but doesnt mean he should stop me be me and do what i want. its his way or no way :/ he says its bad when i drink but he use to drink daily? and he wont let me do anything i want and hes lived all the fun in his life but hes trying to stop me. :|

(sorry for going on a bit to much and bad spelling, didnt re-read)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Winter on January 05, 2012, 15:36:20
My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.
You don't have to do any of those things to be a good Christian. Js.

I know but I was just making a point of she's not strongly religious.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Iuro on January 05, 2012, 17:32:46
My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.

You don't have to do any of those things to be a good Christian. Js.

I myself am an Atheist, both my Mother and Step dad are Christians, but oddly my mum believes in Evolution as well (She's a scientist.)
The short and simple way I see it, is I don't believe in it until something happens to me (personally), to make me  believe. This is how I treat other things like believing in Ghosts, or Aliens.
I do like asking both my parents questions though, not trying to discredit their beliefs but just to grasp how they feel about there religion, such as ; If God forgives everyone, if you have been bad your entire life, disbelieving in God, breaking all of his laws etc, can't you just ask for forgiveness moments before you die and be granted into heaven? And if he forgives everyone why is there a need for hell? It's simple things like that which just don't make me believe.


I beg to differ on that because its in the damn book that you need both but the church thing is debatable meaning there are "banned books" from the bible and theirs a quote from Jesus basically telling everyone what you said. You don't need to go to church etc.

For Lilly, your believe almost reminds me of pagan's or Wicca. While yea i do agree we shouldn't ignore the vast strength of nature and all of natures laws but its the same idea as Science saved my soul video i posted. It goes for the whole Universe.
"Do you know how grand i am? How vast i am how old i am? What i am? And when you know enough science you can look back at the Universe and say "Dude I am you." "
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Redtunnel on January 05, 2012, 19:27:19
I am essentially a weak agnostic, which means I am not entirely irreconcilable with neither theism nor atheism. I made a lengthy post on the subject in another topic, so I'll put it in a spoiler below.

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Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Aaron on January 05, 2012, 19:28:01
My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.

You don't have to do any of those things to be a good Christian. Js.

I myself am an Atheist, both my Mother and Step dad are Christians, but oddly my mum believes in Evolution as well (She's a scientist.)
The short and simple way I see it, is I don't believe in it until something happens to me (personally), to make me  believe. This is how I treat other things like believing in Ghosts, or Aliens.
I do like asking both my parents questions though, not trying to discredit their beliefs but just to grasp how they feel about there religion, such as ; If God forgives everyone, if you have been bad your entire life, disbelieving in God, breaking all of his laws etc, can't you just ask for forgiveness moments before you die and be granted into heaven? And if he forgives everyone why is there a need for hell? It's simple things like that which just don't make me believe.


I beg to differ on that because its in the damn book that you need both but the church thing is debatable meaning there are "banned books" from the bible and theirs a quote from Jesus basically telling everyone what you said. You don't need to go to church etc.


The Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Greek, then from Greek into English. The translations were thought to have been sometimes wrong, which splits Christians / Jews into two different groups which view certain subjects differently. Mainly the Homosexuality issue. Many believe that it was miss-translated and was never put "HOMOSEXUALS ARE BAD AND AGAINST CHRISTIANITY" . Also, it never says in neither the old nor new Testament that you have to go to Church every single Sunday to make you a good Christian. AAAAAAAAAND, the correct day to go to church according to the Old Testament is Saturday. Anywho.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Thunderite on January 05, 2012, 19:34:19
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Can't say I believe in him. Not something I give much thought about neither.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: R on January 05, 2012, 19:38:45
EPIC
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Cam on January 05, 2012, 19:46:20
Can't the world just support Guthix.
I'm actually atheist, and I blame religion for most wars.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Iuro on January 05, 2012, 19:52:35
My Mum is theist but she doesn't read the bible, believe homosexuality is wrong, goes to church, etc.

You don't have to do any of those things to be a good Christian. Js.

I myself am an Atheist, both my Mother and Step dad are Christians, but oddly my mum believes in Evolution as well (She's a scientist.)
The short and simple way I see it, is I don't believe in it until something happens to me (personally), to make me  believe. This is how I treat other things like believing in Ghosts, or Aliens.
I do like asking both my parents questions though, not trying to discredit their beliefs but just to grasp how they feel about there religion, such as ; If God forgives everyone, if you have been bad your entire life, disbelieving in God, breaking all of his laws etc, can't you just ask for forgiveness moments before you die and be granted into heaven? And if he forgives everyone why is there a need for hell? It's simple things like that which just don't make me believe.


I beg to differ on that because its in the damn book that you need both but the church thing is debatable meaning there are "banned books" from the bible and theirs a quote from Jesus basically telling everyone what you said. You don't need to go to church etc.


The Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Greek, then from Greek into English. The translations were thought to have been sometimes wrong, which splits Christians / Jews into two different groups which view certain subjects differently. Mainly the Homosexuality issue. Many believe that it was miss-translated and was never put "HOMOSEXUALS ARE BAD AND AGAINST CHRISTIANITY" . Also, it never says in neither the old nor new Testament that you have to go to Church every single Sunday to make you a good Christian. AAAAAAAAAND, the correct day to go to church according to the Old Testament is Saturday. Anywho.

leviticus 18 22

??  ?????-?????--??? ?????????, ??????????? ???????:  ?????????,
                                            ????.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.

Litterl translation.

to go out and-male Aqaba not talking bed, a woman: abomination, he was.

If we didn't adapt to the tongue we use now it would be more of a fucking riddle than the bible already is.
I.E German has mood words which set the mood for a sentence. (Aber Er ist ein schweinhund!) Aber means nothing in that sentence because its used to make a the sentence !@#!@#!@# like that where in English the "tone" someone wrtes in. Also its just like anything else you lose things in translation but it remains the same.

"One very controversial subject among Christians today is God’s Seventh Day Sabbath. Some Christians are not even aware that the Sabbath is Saturday."

Blind faith makes you sheep. Being a sheep that is being lead right off a cliff.

Church

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Next questions?


Also Red how can one apply Occam's razor to something that is "super-natural"
The Aberhamic god is The god of Paradoxs henceforth wouldn't Logic be null and void?

Just playing devil's advocate^ (Ironic statement <---)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Aaron on January 05, 2012, 22:01:25
Quote from: Iuro
leviticus 18 22

??  ?????-?????--??? ?????????, ??????????? ???????:  ?????????,
                                            ????.
"..."

Litterl translation.

to go out and-male Aqaba not talking bed, a woman: abomination, he was.

This is what I mean, there are two views on this. Some Christians believe that isn't what it was translated into, the language was somewhat lost. And others believe that it meant that a Man couldn't lay with another Man. The above sentence makes no sense whatsoever. No where does that say that two men couldn't have a relationship with each other. Also, Leviticus was from the Old Testament which is believed to be the 'Hebrew Bible'.


Quote from: Iuro
Church

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Next questions?

Quick question, I wasn't aware that sentence said you HAD to go every single Sunday to be a 'good' Christian. That's like saying if you were disabled or had a housebound illness but believe in God, you're not a Christian and don't count.

Either way, Anyone who believes in a God or some great afterlife is winning in my opinion. If they die, and there is a heaven then they're sorted and the rest of us didn't believe so don't get in, and if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead. Lulzwtfbbqsauce.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Chrissie on January 05, 2012, 22:32:43
I'm an Agnostic Atheist and I lived in a very Catholic family for about 5- 6 years. Even though I don't believe in god, I still allow people to express their religious beliefs as long as they don't force them on me. It's neutral respect.

I've given religion a try and it's really not for me.
Especially Catholic..
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Iuro on January 06, 2012, 02:08:43
Quote from: Iuro
leviticus 18 22

??  ?????-?????--??? ?????????, ??????????? ???????:  ?????????,
                                            ????.
"..."

Litterl translation.

to go out and-male Aqaba not talking bed, a woman: abomination, he was.

This is what I mean, there are two views on this. Some Christians believe that isn't what it was translated into, the language was somewhat lost. And others believe that it meant that a Man couldn't lay with another Man. The above sentence makes no sense whatsoever. No where does that say that two men couldn't have a relationship with each other. Also, Leviticus was from the Old Testament which is believed to be the 'Hebrew Bible'.


Quote from: Iuro
Church

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Next questions?

Quick question, I wasn't aware that sentence said you HAD to go every single Sunday to be a 'good' Christian. That's like saying if you were disabled or had a housebound illness but believe in God, you're not a Christian and don't count.

Either way, Anyone who believes in a God or some great afterlife is winning in my opinion. If they die, and there is a heaven then they're sorted and the rest of us didn't believe so don't get in, and if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead. Lulzwtfbbqsauce.

It's not just that. It's what they did in their life that in my eyes is wrong. " if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead." K that's wonderful for them but what about all the people that person influenced in their life with their spread of the word? If the person had children who now belive in something that is a Bronze age myth?
That's the harm. The harm of a false sense of security. The idea that they might go forth to be apart of a story book fable and keep preputating the notion that this is FACT.
That's the problem i have. If religous people kept to themselves the ideas would have been gone ages ago. They need (Just as with any thing with indoctrination IE North Korea, Nazi Germany) To keep it going on or it would be dead in the tracks.


Also about the whole "Hebrew bible" well for one the "Hebrew bible" is called the Torah and it's still relevant to Christianity. Let's look at Genesis Let's look at  Psalms (The lord is my Shepard? Ring a bell?) The story of Moses? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE TAUGHT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL which are CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOLS. To say that the old testament has nothing to do with the new testament is the same as me saying "Oh the first 12 chapters of this book where nothing fuck it ignore them."
Also how about them 10 commandments. Old testament but fuck it who cares about the shit before Jebus came. Then we can change them. When he gets here.

Can't Have It Both Ways (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900#ws)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Aaron on January 06, 2012, 02:32:39
Quote from: Iuro
leviticus 18 22

??  ?????-?????--??? ?????????, ??????????? ???????:  ?????????,
                                            ????.
"..."

Litterl translation.

to go out and-male Aqaba not talking bed, a woman: abomination, he was.

This is what I mean, there are two views on this. Some Christians believe that isn't what it was translated into, the language was somewhat lost. And others believe that it meant that a Man couldn't lay with another Man. The above sentence makes no sense whatsoever. No where does that say that two men couldn't have a relationship with each other. Also, Leviticus was from the Old Testament which is believed to be the 'Hebrew Bible'.


Quote from: Iuro
Church

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Next questions?

Quick question, I wasn't aware that sentence said you HAD to go every single Sunday to be a 'good' Christian. That's like saying if you were disabled or had a housebound illness but believe in God, you're not a Christian and don't count.

Either way, Anyone who believes in a God or some great afterlife is winning in my opinion. If they die, and there is a heaven then they're sorted and the rest of us didn't believe so don't get in, and if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead. Lulzwtfbbqsauce.

It's not just that. It's what they did in their life that in my eyes is wrong. " if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead." K that's wonderful for them but what about all the people that person influenced in their life with their spread of the word? If the person had children who now belive in something that is a Bronze age myth?
That's the harm. The harm of a false sense of security. The idea that they might go forth to be apart of a story book fable and keep preputating the notion that this is FACT.
That's the problem i have. If religous people kept to themselves the ideas would have been gone ages ago. They need (Just as with any thing with indoctrination IE North Korea, Nazi Germany) To keep it going on or it would be dead in the tracks.


Also about the whole "Hebrew bible" well for one the "Hebrew bible" is called the Torah and it's still relevant to Christianity. Let's look at Genesis Let's look at  Psalms (The lord is my Shepard? Ring a bell?) The story of Moses? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE TAUGHT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL which are CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOLS. To say that the old testament has nothing to do with the new testament is the same as me saying "Oh the first 12 chapters of this book where nothing fuck it ignore them."
Also how about them 10 commandments. Old testament but fuck it who cares about the shit before Jebus came. Then we can change them. When he gets here.

Can't Have It Both Ways (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900#ws)

I don't believe there is harm in Having a false sense of security. The only people it effects (even still not really) is the Children of strict Christian parents, otherwise everyone else can have their own opinion. I hate it when people try to force their opinion on me, or their religion, but they feel that is their purpose in life, to spread the world of god. Is there a real harm in this? Are they really affecting you that badly? Do you feel the need to go home and cry because someone has told you of their opinion on Religion? No. They're doing no harm, if anything slightly annoying to the people who refuse to believe the same as them.

Oh, and I didn't mean that the Old Testament was useless. I didn't explain fully. The Old Testament is the Hebrew / Christian Bible, and the New is only followed by Christians as I think the Hebrews don't think the 'savior' has actually come yet? (Cba to check that up) Anyway, some of the stuff in the Old is completely ignored by Christians now.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: R on January 06, 2012, 02:53:12


Quick question, I wasn't aware that sentence said you HAD to go every single Sunday to be a 'good' Christian. That's like saying if you were disabled or had a housebound illness but believe in God, you're not a Christian and don't count.

Either way, Anyone who believes in a God or some great afterlife is winning in my opinion. If they die, and there is a heaven then they're sorted and the rest of us didn't believe so don't get in, and if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead. Lulzwtfbbqsauce.

Just to point out something, contrary to the bolded text, anyone who is ill, or taking care of the ill does not have to go to church.
Going to Church is a major part of Christian religions and it is one of the things that has turned me off of religion. Why can't you pray to God at home? Why can't you take part in communion, and read the bible from your own home? Why do you have to go to church, spend an hour and a half of your week (the lenient sects of Christianity, some are much stricter [up to 15 hours a week at church]) and DONATE MONEY to something no one can prove exists on the basis of faith.

In a couple thousand years Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Judaism will all be "tales and myths" created by man's imagination to explain the unexplainable. Just like the Bronze and Golden age God's.  Why will they be myths?

Because we're just beginning to explain them.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Tim on January 06, 2012, 03:24:34
I come from a religious family.  My father is a pastor, my mother is a church organist, and my brother plays songs on guitar for special services.  I personally am not religious.  If some random person came up to me and asked what my religion was I'd say I don't care.  One thing not many people think of (or at least don't admit to thinking of) is why can't all the gods exist?  Why can't all religions be correct?  Why does there have to be one correct religion.  Personally, I think the religion that makes the most sense is Buddhism.  They don't have a god, they have a guy who knew things.  I personally don't care too much about religion, I think if you are religious congratulations just don't try to shove it on me.  My father is the only one who knows I'm not "Christian" as much as the rest of my family.  I would expect as a pastor he could respect that, and deal with it.  Instead he tries to force it on me.  This is where religion becomes a problem.  A pastor I once had lead a church service I went to said this:

"Is it right to go somewhere that we are not welcome, and bribe them into our religion?  If someone is so thirsty that if they will die if they don't get some withing 24 hours, but they aren't Christian, is it okay to say 'Well I would love to give you some of my nice cold water, but you have to be Christian first.'  No it is not okay, we are forcing them to choose between their beliefs and life, which is wrong."

That is when religion become a problem.  Trying to force your religion is not the way to get someone to be a certain religion.  Let people live their lives.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Iuro on January 06, 2012, 05:54:43


Quick question, I wasn't aware that sentence said you HAD to go every single Sunday to be a 'good' Christian. That's like saying if you were disabled or had a housebound illness but believe in God, you're not a Christian and don't count.

Either way, Anyone who believes in a God or some great afterlife is winning in my opinion. If they die, and there is a heaven then they're sorted and the rest of us didn't believe so don't get in, and if there isn't a heaven, then they wont even know because they're dead. Lulzwtfbbqsauce.

Just to point out something, contrary to the bolded text, anyone who is ill, or taking care of the ill does not have to go to church.
Going to Church is a major part of Christian religions and it is one of the things that has turned me off of religion. Why can't you pray to God at home? Why can't you take part in communion, and read the bible from your own home? Why do you have to go to church, spend an hour and a half of your week (the lenient sects of Christianity, some are much stricter [up to 15 hours a week at church]) and DONATE MONEY to something no one can prove exists on the basis of faith.

In a couple thousand years Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Judaism will all be "tales and myths" created by man's imagination to explain the unexplainable. Just like the Bronze and Golden age God's.  Why will they be myths?

Because we're just beginning to explain them.


The whole donating money to a church thing is called a tithe which by definition is that your to give 10% of your earnings to the church. Churches are business as well at the end of the day. They still need money to pay off the things they use regardless if they have no taxes (in America)

And ofc the new testament wouldn't be anything to the Jewish people. It means as much as the Qur'an dose to Christians.
Jew = Waiting for the Messiah
Christians= Messiah = Christ
Muslims = Messiah = Muhammad

All three of these religions fall under the same umbrella of belief. They are Aberhamic it's not til the new person is Introduced that its different.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: R on January 07, 2012, 01:12:12
Your move Christians; your move.

(http://puu.sh/cDok)
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Jordan on January 07, 2012, 11:17:03
(http://i.imgur.com/XFhvv.png)

Missing link, right here.
Title: Re: Atheism vs. Theism - Thought's on God(s)?
Post by: Winter on January 07, 2012, 13:07:48
(http://i.imgur.com/XFhvv.png)

Missing link, right here.

Case closed, can lock thread now.