Quote from: Chrissie on October 21, 2011, 04:24:05

Quote from: Iuro on October 20, 2011, 19:32:14

Seeing how this is the debate thread I guess i'll throw my 2 cents into this.
I normally will bite my tounge when it comes to things like this but the idea that abortion is murder is bullshit to the fullest extent of the word.
As an Atheist I absoulty HATE when a religion person will belittle science in any sense be it the whole crap about Intelegent design and Creationism. I also hate the idea of Brain washing but that could be used in another post.
Abortion is fine. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. Is it murder? No. As red said we will care about an unborn child more than living people. The Rationalization of this is that "Oh the people that have done wrong in their life deserve what they get."
This is the mind set of just about any Christian living in America.
Bare this in mind for a second. A 16 year old girl gets pregnant. She has no job the father has left and can not be found. Let's say she was bright and had a wonderful future a head of her. What is holding her back is this unborn cluster of cells. She can either A. let the child be born and never seek out her life or B. Abort and live her life.
I see nothing wrong with choice B. I do respect human life because on the grand out look of the universe we are the most "intellegent" form of life. But because we hold on to Fairy tales and bronze age myths we can't even get over this small thing.
We want to prevent people from dying of diseases that have cures and are easly prevented but we can't because we are stuck on the idea that a cluster of cells is a human.

This topic has nothing to do with religion.
I'm an Agnostic Atheist, yet I am still against abortion.
And "Let's say she was bright and had a wonderful future a head of her"
If she was bright, she should have thought about it before she made the mistake.
Everyone by the age of 16 should know that Sex = babies.
I'm not saying stay a virgin until you're married, but at least think of what could happen before having sex.
( birth control, condom, shots.. There is so many ways to prevent from getting pregnant )
She could have also given the baby up for adoption. There are so many women out there that can't have children. ( I am one of them )
"unborn cluster of cells" could have been the next genius or just a normal everyday person.
"unborn cluster of cells" is an unborn child and killing a child, regardless if it's in your hand or in the womb of a woman, is murder.

Btw, "This is the mind set of just about any Christian living in America."
I honestly HATE when people judge others by religion. (:
just saying.

Please come to Texas.
And yes religion has everything to do with this. If people didn't see that it was murder based off of Bronze age myths this wouldn't even be an arugment.
Also go read what Creationism is and see how they all but tryed to teach religion in schools and belittle science.
This is why I H.A.T.E. Religion.

The concept of personhood is different from the concept of human life. Human life occurs at conception, but fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization are also human lives and those not implanted are routinely thrown away. Is this murder, and if not, then how is abortion murder?

Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate entity, as it cannot exist outside her womb.

Texas is the biggest place for Christian Mythology.
Over 200 Megachurches and is also the birth place of Creationism.
And this will mean nothing if you don't know what it is.

Also how can you say that it wouldn't be an argument?
The who idea that life starts at conception is erm let me think a second.....  CHRISTIAN IDEAL.
Life starts at conception so therefore killing cells that are "humans" is murder.

And without the whole i don't know life stars at conception thing being thrown around there is no argument in this.

Rape and health problems should be the only exception to abortion.
I can sympathize with a person who's been raped rather than a person who had a one night stand.

Quote from: Iuro on October 21, 2011, 19:34:21

Texas is the biggest place for Christian Mythology.
Over 200 Megachurches and is also the birth place of Creationism.
And this will mean nothing if you don't know what it is.

Also how can you say that it wouldn't be an argument?
The who idea that life starts at conception is erm let me think a second.....  CHRISTIAN IDEAL.
Life starts at conception so therefore killing cells that are "humans" is murder.

And without the whole i don't know life stars at conception thing being thrown around there is no argument in this.

This has NOTHING to do with religion.
It's about whether or not you'd take a child's life.
&& to be fairly honest, I don't care for religious crap
such as Creationism and Christian Ideal.
&& I said it would be and argument.


Scientific fact: that a baby has the same number of genes and chromosomes at conception, just like you and I,
even if it doesn't have a heartbeat for 21 days, it's still a human life in there.
Life begins at conception, that it's a one-celled human organism.