Abortion seems fine to me, have to be within the 12 weeks of course.

I'm looking at the big perspective though.
The earth does not support that many people and we have grown with over 5 billion people in 200 years, and a lot of us are starving.

The earth does not support that many people and we have grown with over 5 billion people in 200 years, and a lot of us are starving.

Quote from: Rune on October 20, 2011, 07:57:45

The earth does not support that many people and we have grown with over 5 billion people in 200 years, and a lot of us are starving.

Recent studies, published in Nature (Solutions for a Cultivated Planet), have shown that the Earth has the capacity to provide for all of us up till year 2050, where the medium expected number of humans are 9 billion. (UN DESA, 2009). A five-point plan was proposed, and to conclude it: reduced expansion of agricultural land in the tropics, improved yields from existing arable land, changing diets, decreased food waste and efficient use of inputs (such as water and fertilizer). Though, seeing as we don't live in utopia, it is unlikely all of these changes will be implemented.

Yeah, lets all care more about a cluster of cells (as Iuro said) which could develop into a human being rather than worry about all the starving, abused and ill babies and children already in this world which are in need of help.

I'd love to write an essay on how I feel about this subject matter but I have to retain my brain capacity for my History essay homework. If only School would let us learn about controversial topics like this instead of a 600 word assessment on describing Medusa's lair or writing about every last detail on how the League of Nations dealed with problems between two countries in a disagreement.

Seeing how this is the debate thread I guess i'll throw my 2 cents into this.
I normally will bite my tounge when it comes to things like this but the idea that abortion is murder is bullshit to the fullest extent of the word.
As an Atheist I absoulty HATE when a religion person will belittle science in any sense be it the whole crap about Intelegent design and Creationism. I also hate the idea of Brain washing but that could be used in another post.
Abortion is fine. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. Is it murder? No. As red said we will care about an unborn child more than living people. The Rationalization of this is that "Oh the people that have done wrong in their life deserve what they get."
This is the mind set of just about any Christian living in America.
Bare this in mind for a second. A 16 year old girl gets pregnant. She has no job the father has left and can not be found. Let's say she was bright and had a wonderful future a head of her. What is holding her back is this unborn cluster of cells. She can either A. let the child be born and never seek out her life or B. Abort and live her life.
I see nothing wrong with choice B. I do respect human life because on the grand out look of the universe we are the most "intellegent" form of life. But because we hold on to Fairy tales and bronze age myths we can't even get over this small thing.
We want to prevent people from dying of diseases that have cures and are easly prevented but we can't because we are stuck on the idea that a cluster of cells is a human.

Quote from: Iuro on October 20, 2011, 19:32:14

Seeing how this is the debate thread I guess i'll throw my 2 cents into this.
I normally will bite my tounge when it comes to things like this but the idea that abortion is murder is bullshit to the fullest extent of the word.
As an Atheist I absoulty HATE when a religion person will belittle science in any sense be it the whole crap about Intelegent design and Creationism. I also hate the idea of Brain washing but that could be used in another post.
Abortion is fine. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. Is it murder? No. As red said we will care about an unborn child more than living people. The Rationalization of this is that "Oh the people that have done wrong in their life deserve what they get."
This is the mind set of just about any Christian living in America.
Bare this in mind for a second. A 16 year old girl gets pregnant. She has no job the father has left and can not be found. Let's say she was bright and had a wonderful future a head of her. What is holding her back is this unborn cluster of cells. She can either A. let the child be born and never seek out her life or B. Abort and live her life.
I see nothing wrong with choice B. I do respect human life because on the grand out look of the universe we are the most "intellegent" form of life. But because we hold on to Fairy tales and bronze age myths we can't even get over this small thing.
We want to prevent people from dying of diseases that have cures and are easly prevented but we can't because we are stuck on the idea that a cluster of cells is a human.

This topic has nothing to do with religion.
I'm an Agnostic Atheist, yet I am still against abortion.
And "Let's say she was bright and had a wonderful future a head of her"
If she was bright, she should have thought about it before she made the mistake.
Everyone by the age of 16 should know that Sex = babies.
I'm not saying stay a virgin until you're married, but at least think of what could happen before having sex.
( birth control, condom, shots.. There is so many ways to prevent from getting pregnant )
She could have also given the baby up for adoption. There are so many women out there that can't have children. ( I am one of them )
"unborn cluster of cells" could have been the next genius or just a normal everyday person.
"unborn cluster of cells" is an unborn child and killing a child, regardless if it's in your hand or in the womb of a woman, is murder.

Btw, "This is the mind set of just about any Christian living in America."
I honestly HATE when people judge others by religion. (:
just saying.

19 year old girl get's raped, she's now carrying the baby of a disgusting rapist.

What does she do?