Quote from: Brad on May 26, 2014, 02:51:42

I didn't understand legitimate gameplay.

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I am behind you 110% on this brad. Transferring in my opinion gives an unfair advantage.

It's something that will not change ever. Same as people that Multi log etc.

Personally I am past caring as from what I gather a lot of high level players both combat and skillers have done something in the past and now. They have to look at legitimate accounts and know they gave themselves an unfair advantage.

I intend to carry on with what I do and do my best to gain xp.

I am behind you 110% on this brad. Transferring in my opinion gives an unfair advantage.

It's something that will not change ever. Same as people that Multi log etc.

Personally I am past caring as from what I gather a lot of high level players both combat and skillers have done something in the past and now. They have to look at legitimate accounts and know they gave themselves an unfair advantage.

I intend to carry on with what I do and do my best to gain xp.

I can't agree on that. Let's make a scenario:

Trimmed completionist, nothing else to do and around a 100m bank. Why should leave the GP rot in your bank, if you wanna use it on another account and play? I mean, you've earned the money and can't even use it. That's like working your ass of for a new car, and don't drive it. Multilogging in same world and interact with other account, okay that is bad. But xferring money through a 3rd person, just to have fun on another account. I know many skillers are against it, because everyone thinks they can be a skiller if they can get the buyables 99. I think the problem lies at the people who give a sht about how other train their skills, instead of how they trained it. If should be proud if you wear your construction cape, if they spent hours making the money, getting the stealing creation points. If you go like: People say I got 99 Construction by warbands, you're the problem. I learned 1 lessons in life, don't give a sht about what people think about you, as long as you know BETTER!

Sorry just wanted to get this off my heart. Hope I did not offend anybody here, but it's just my HONEST opinion.

Joris

Acquired money to me is only a matter of time spent. I think there are so many injustices in the game that xferring is negligible in the grand scheme of things. For example, consider how much time Brad spent on 200m agility (probably 2k+ hours), only to see that people can now get it in 0 hours. In competitive playing, he was "cheated" out of 2k hours, and when you add all of these injustices together, xferring is just one of many.

First off I just wanted to say I repsect everyone's view and I don't intend to start an argument on the matter. As for what you said, I don't understand when people say the game ends when you have trimmed completionist or even max cape. Tbh, it's not even a quarter of the time it takes to get 200m in all skills(around 15k hours). I tend to take this game more seriously than most I admit that, however I don't think it is a fair playing field if you are going to just transfer onto a new account when most people wouldn't have that luxury. It's mainly a moral thing with me. Honestly, if I were to transfer and multilog it would greatly devalue what achievements I have earned because they weren't gained on that account. For example, if I fished rocktails or farmed herbs to be able to achieve 99 crafting I would feel a lot better than transferring 200m onto a new account just to show off 99 crafting. I would like to see you get the money required to get 99 construction, crafting, herblore, smithing, etc on a skiller without transferring gp and tell me how easy it is. As for the last thing you said, you don't have to care what other people think, most of the goals I set are to feel self achieved, I just wouldn't feel very accomplished if I transferred/multilogged for an unfair advantage.

Acquired money to me is only a matter of time spent. I think there are so many injustices in the game that xferring is negligible in the grand scheme of things. For example, consider how much time Brad spent on 200m agility (probably 2k+ hours), only to see that people can now get it in 0 hours. In competitive playing, he was "cheated" out of 2k hours, and when you add all of these injustices together, xferring is just one of many.

3k hours* But yeah, that honestly doesn't bother me too much because firstly, I knew something like that was coming, and second it actually makes my achievement better because no one will ever get 200m agil(legitimately) without using the boots/ bonus xp anymore.

Quote from: Redtunnel on May 26, 2014, 12:01:37

Acquired money to me is only a matter of time spent. I think there are so many injustices in the game that xferring is negligible in the grand scheme of things. For example, consider how much time Brad spent on 200m agility (probably 2k+ hours), only to see that people can now get it in 0 hours. In competitive playing, he was "cheated" out of 2k hours, and when you add all of these injustices together, xferring is just one of many.

3k hours* But yeah, that honestly doesn't bother me too much because firstly, I knew something like that was coming, and second it actually makes my achievement better because no one will ever get 200m agil(legitimately) without using the boots/ bonus xp anymore.

That's an admirable mindset and I believe it can be applied to xferring as well. Be proud of your accomplishment and try not to think of how they are undermined by other players' shortcuts

Quote from: Brad on May 26, 2014, 12:06:03

Quote from: Redtunnel on May 26, 2014, 12:01:37

Acquired money to me is only a matter of time spent. I think there are so many injustices in the game that xferring is negligible in the grand scheme of things. For example, consider how much time Brad spent on 200m agility (probably 2k+ hours), only to see that people can now get it in 0 hours. In competitive playing, he was "cheated" out of 2k hours, and when you add all of these injustices together, xferring is just one of many.

3k hours* But yeah, that honestly doesn't bother me too much because firstly, I knew something like that was coming, and second it actually makes my achievement better because no one will ever get 200m agil(legitimately) without using the boots/ bonus xp anymore.

That's an admirable mindset and I believe it can be applied to xferring as well. Be proud of your accomplishment and try not to think of how they are undermined by other players' shortcuts

Hopefully they won't devalue Agil and other skills in OSRS as much as they did in rs3, but this is getting irrelevant.

Seeing as you said you didnt write well Brad you shared your feelings well.

I think over all the game is being devalued, which is a shame.

Seeing as you said you didnt write well Brad you shared your feelings well.

I think over all the game is being devalued, which is a shame.

Yeah, I'm bad at explaining myself, I'm just pretty passionate about the subject of cheating in rs.

Also why I quit rs3 because Jagex will keep devaluing achievements, I mean why would anyone want all their hard work go to waste haha

I agree skills are devalued by xferring and multilogging and what so ever, but it's devalued because people give a value to the skill:
Construction, warband skill, Farming, warbands skill, Agility, boots skill, etc., etc. But taking Brad as example, he took many hours to achieve to where he is now with his account, and he knows what he has done to achieve that. Why should the opinions of other people matter, if you know better? That's like not buying the car you desire, because people say it's ugly.

Joris

I quit rs3 because Jagex will keep devaluing achievements

I never understood why people say this, just go for harder goals. The game is no longer a challenge to max in total levels, but it is still a challenge in exp. Although certain methods may be updated and speed up skills, there is still alot more you can achieve. The game is still a challenge, just depends on the way you play and goals you set yourself.

Quote from: Brad on May 26, 2014, 12:20:31

I quit rs3 because Jagex will keep devaluing achievements

I never understood why people say this, just go for harder goals. The game is no longer a challenge to max in total levels, but it is still a challenge in exp. Although certain methods may be updated and speed up skills, there is still alot more you can achieve. The game is still a challenge, just depends on the way you play and goals you set yourself.

In my opinion there are only 3 skills that I would even consider difficult, Hunter, Divination, and Runecrafting. Runecrafting and Divination due to them not having a way to easily get bonus xp and they are somewhat slow. Hunter because it is click intensive. I didn't say thieving because you can literally just click in one spot and essentially get 200m Thieving. I don't see how getting a 200m stat in 3 weeks is much of a challenge to anyone. And honestly that isn't the thing that grinds my gears the most, it's the fact that you can buy xp, I don't care if skills are 10k/hr or 10m xp/hr, the ability to buy xp is probably the most devaluing factor in rs3. It's just so frustrating when a skill, take agility for example took me ~3k hours to get and now it is reduced to 0 hours.

I didn't say thieving because you can literally just click in one spot and essentially get 200m Thieving. I don't see how getting a 200m stat in 3 weeks is much of a challenge to anyone.

I don't know where you got your math for that but that is no where near correct or possible. To heist all your bxp for thieve and then get 200m would take 650 hours. I didn't know that one could play for 30 hours a day for 3 weeks straight.

Quote from: Brad on May 26, 2014, 12:20:31

I didn't say thieving because you can literally just click in one spot and essentially get 200m Thieving. I don't see how getting a 200m stat in 3 weeks is much of a challenge to anyone.

I don't know where you got your math for that but that is no where near correct or possible. To heist all your bxp for thieve and then get 200m would take 650 hours. I didn't know that one could play for 30 hours a day for 3 weeks straight.

I don't consider getting the Bonus xp actually training the skill.

Just as a quick example Scuzzy5 did this the past month: